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Friday, December 16th, 2005
8:50 pm
Jesus Christ!
I've often wondered, how exactly did the name of the Son of God become an exclamation of the same wavelength as "fuck"? I mean, a person stubs their toe, and you're just as likely to hear "shit!" or "fuck!" as you are to hear "Jesus Christ!". When did that happen?

I've been Christian, by the southern Baptist definition, for the better part of six years. I've read about, looked into, talked about alot of differenet religions, seen the similarities, the differences, the stupidity and futility of trying to define the search for meaning in human existance.

The first thing I think any one, of any religion should do, is admit to yourself that not everyone is going to see things your way. Free will is a bitch like that, a double edged sword that means everyone gets to choose their own way, and they may not like the way yours sounds. Live with it. Stop preaching like your way is the only way. If God had meant for there to be only one relegion, why didn't everybodyknow about it to begin with?

Free will! That's why! We all have to come to Him in our own way, or go away from Him in our own way. We know we'll be judged for our actions, our attitudes, our lives. The best God can do, and should do, is to put the idea out there and lets us decided, each of us ourselves what we want to do with it.

Now here is where I'm going to throw people off. Could the tales of Jesus's exploits have been tainted, indeed changed, by stories from the East of Buddha, the man who himself preached many of Christ's teaching many years before? But Buddha didn't claim to be the Son of God, or God, or even an emissary of God. He claimed to be a man, nothing more. He wanted people to follow a path to enlightenment, and never claimed to know the way, just (if my understanding of what I've read is right) claim to be able to help a person learn the way. Adjust Buddha to be talking about God, and throw in some Jewish virtues and history, and you seem to have Jesus. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this. I know it doesn't change the idea of Christ. It changes who Christ might have been. Did he actually say some of the things he said (I'll leave the miracles out because I haven't read anything about Buddha curing the sick and blind), or were these things adjusted to fascilitate the spread of the religion?

"History is written by the victors." That statement leads me to believe that most of what is in things like the Bible and history books is tainted, prejudiced by those who want to look good and justified in front of their peers and societies. Did many of the things in the Bible happen as they are written? Probably not. Which is one of my main arguements against the Bible itself. Scholars have long been of the opinion that the Bible started as an oral tradition, a story kept by an elder of some kind, and passed from generation to generation until someone finally learned to write. So obviously some of the stories are going to be confused on most if not all details.

Some people will say the the beieve the Bible because of faith. To them I say this: "Your faith should be in God, not in the Bible. The words don't matter, as long as you believe." But the Bible is the word of God, one might respond.

No, it isn't. It's something a bunch of guys in a room thought up. Something people wrote down to express their faith. What have you done to express yours? When was the last time you helped a person without thought of reward? When was the last time you just looked to the sky and said: "I will not question, for my faith is strong." and just gone about living your life?

I have faith. Faith in myself. Faith in my abilities. I won't ask God to help me live the life I've been given. If there is a God, I intend to show the strength of character, the personal fortitude to take respnsibility for my life, my actions. Faith won't change your life. It won't make you run faster, or live longer. God is a question, because if he's near, we'd always be asking for help. But we need to learn on our own what life is and what it isn't. The paths are ours, created by God perhaps, and we have to take it a day at a time. A moment at a time, and have faith in ourselves.

That's my rant. Later, folks.
Thursday, July 7th, 2005
10:17 pm
You ever notice how God is written in the bible? all vengeful? Spiteful? Mean like your old man after a bottle of Jack?

Because he is! "Boy c'mere! C'mere now! gimme some love! Boy I will slap you so hard, you're gonna feel it 'fore you was born!"

God just sitting up on his mountain top. Big asshole. "Worship me! Feed my insatiable ego! I gave you free will, but if you want peace for eternity you will do as I command! Noah, you drunk ass bastard! Build me an Ark! What do you mean 'what's an ark?', just fuckin build it!"

Then you've got Satan over in the corner, "Yeah, yeah. I hear ya. But, I'm not gonna force you into anything. Free will and all. No pressure. Go on, serve God. He's a pig-fucker, but you'll find that out." Smoking his cigarette, leaning on a post, like the cool kids in 60's movies. "Worship me if you want, I'm not going to make you."


Then Jesus came along, the Son of God, talking like Satan. "No big deal, it's all good, all you need is love."

And one of the Jews caught that! "wait! God's all fire and bullying! Satan's all nice and smooth! and Jesus is just like Satan!" the rest of the jews heard that and said: "He's not the son of God, he's the Devil! Crucify the bastard!" Judas then said only two words: "aw, shit."
Sunday, February 20th, 2005
3:25 pm
Monday, January 3rd, 2005
9:13 pm
Science Must Stand
Crossposted from my own journal and dark_christian.

Everywhere I turn there are strange folks coming out of the woodworks with even stranger ideas. God gave us the ability to think, to reason, to understand. His chosen people were the tribes of Israel and it was/is their destiny to wrestle with God, if one is inclined to believe such things. Obviously God wanted us to be more then small minded yes men or he wouldn't have designed us the way he did. Yet more and more Americans are dismissing the gifts God has given us. To be quite frank about it as a Christian I believe these others have fallen away from God and can count themselves as part of the corrupted beings that inhabit the lake of fire they like to worry about so much. I'm very serious about this line of thought. It's a rather consuming idea that has taken hold of me and won't let go.

I've been taken to task online and in private emails about denying certain individuals as being Christian. The idea has not been shaken loose, on the contrary it is in fact growing. I perfectly respect everyones right to believe and think as they choose. That is not the issue, so most of the emails and tirades have been addressing precisely the wrong thing. There is a difference between respect of belief and validation of said belief. I have had a terrible time letting the validation happen. This most horrific occurance has uprooted some of my base personality, somethings very much taken for granted by myself and most anyone that knows me. Such as my very liberal bend and flexibility when it comes to others and my generally easily given tolerance have all taken major hits. I simply cannot sit idly by, smiling up into the face of thieves and liars. Cannot give my tolerance and acceptance to those who defile my faith and harm others in the name of God.

I never knew I had it in me to be hard or perhaps cruel, but apparently I do. I'm quite angry at the state of things, quite angry at these people such as the American Family Association, the Family Research Council, the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family, Concerned Women for America, and the Coral Ridge Ministries. And what they are are not doing to help their fellow man. I picked this up from dark_christian and went to look for myself. Only Focus for the Family says anything about the disaster in Asia but it's below them asking for donations to them first. They have the money, time and resources to harass, belittle and actively seek to harm their fellow man in the name of Christ, in the name of families and of morals but their is no room left in their hearts or minds to spare for those who are in need. Not in Asia, not in Africa, not in their own back yard.

And yet I am suppose to nod, smile and give them room to claim they are of the same faith, the same genesis as me? I think not. I know not. They may claim they are Christian as much as they like, have at and have on. I still have no more intention of agreeing then I would agree that the world was made of carefully molded velveeta cheese.

While they are too busy to actively help others they aren't too busy to attack education, science and sex education in particular. All around the internet stories are popping regarding schools being brought under fire to remove or discredit evolution, in Texas, in Alabama, and here in Georgia where I live. Ray Bradbury wrote a fascinating short story once where the government had decided to elmininate anyone who was too smart, so at a particular age, I believe it was 14, a child had to drink a pink liquid that made him tell the truth so the child could be tested to see if they were too *smart*, if they did they simply never came home again. How frightening that story seems to me now.

As much as it tears at my heart, as much as it bothers me, I would rather live in a world bereft of spirituality then to live in a world bereft of free will and thought. You cannot destroy true spirituality yet free will can be crushed from a man, or washed from his mind if the right pressures are applied.

A young girl saved quite a few lives in Asia. On holiday with her mother she recognized the signs of a tsunami and told her mother who in turn told the hotel staff. It's worth noting the girl was British, not American.

Quick action by Tilly's mother and Thai hotel staff meant Maikhao beach was quickly cleared, just minutes before a huge wave crashed ashore. The beach was one of the few on the Thai island of Phuket where no-one was killed.

This is why science must stand, why education must stand, why I cannot and will not validate one more person who utters God's name as an excuse for behaving as a perfect jackass. Had this girl been raised here in America, in a dumbed down state where Creationism has replaced science do you think she would have learned what she needed to know to save her own life and the lives of others? Or would she have been sitting on the shore staring at the unusual waves and the fish flopping on the beach waiting for death to over run her? And if you think she would have known, it's not that bad yet, how much longer do you think it will be before it is that bad? Before you answer that or feel comfortable do you know how many people I know of who firmly believe that condoms do not protect against the AIDS virus because their church told them so? Not, do not believe it's a hundred percent effective, not, believe abstinence might work better but flat out do not believe at all. More then you would be comfortable with, more then I am comfortable with.

The atheists, the secular, the agnostics and those of other faiths have all started to rise to stop a flood of ill will and maliciousness. They will not be enough, it has to be US, it has to the Christians themselves who come to turn back the tide. We have to cast out those who have corrupted our faith. We can pray for them, we can try to reason with them, we can invite them to our homes and churches, we can even attempt to win them back to Christ but we must not accept them as being Christian. They are not Christian, some of them may be lost and confused, some may truly believe they are the next best thing to Christ Himself, and of those I hope many come to their senses. But most of these so called Christian Warriors no full well that they do not walk the path of their so called religion. They walk among us, their sins and lies protected by a faith they are corrupting from the inside out, the rot becoming more evident with each and every day. Christians must come to the forefront of the battle because it is in our name that great harm is being done.

I will not yield.

Wednesday, October 20th, 2004
2:42 pm
Tuesday, October 5th, 2004
3:54 pm
Sunday, August 29th, 2004
8:54 am
Greetings all. I have been watching for sometime and finally decided to post this. I wrote this in my own journal some months ago and re-reading it now I've realised how poetic and pretentious it is but please bare with me.

I have never quite been able to deny my religion. I have always felt strongly spiritual but never been able to name what I believed in.
Well last year when I was in China, touring with a choir. we sung at a Catholic church.
I remember entering it and, as always in a church, I was over-whelmed by both the beauty and the sacredness of the space. When you are in a place like this, surrounded by people who don't speak your language, with your breath freezing in the air before your face, it is hard to believe that a God does not exist.

However, I managed it because at that moment I realised what it was that I was worshipping: people. I was stunned, not by the presence of any God but by the beauty that humans had created and by the universal nature of beauty. This Church was being appreciated, not only by me, but by Chinese peasants, people I seem to have very little in common with.

I worship humanity because we are creatures capable of such amazing compassion, thought, intelligence, love and poetry. (I don't mean poetry in the sense of words but in the sense that we can create poetry through our everyday lives.) We are capable of both goodness and inflicting amazing hurt. Has anyone ever held a small bird on their hand and realised how easy it would be to crush it? We have that power. Some use it. Most don't. Isn't that worth praising? We can hold that fragile life, stroke it with tenderness and appreciate it without harming it. Isn't that extra-ordinary? Few other creatures are capable of such a feat!

Why worship something that wars against itself, that tortures, rapes, kills and maims itself? Because humanity survives and will continue to do so. Individuals may struggle to destroy it but it lives on in an infinite number of people. That is beautiful.

I take strength from such a thought, because at times I feel the weight of it pressing down upon me; all those minds that form this body clamouring to be heard. Let me appreciate it in all it's loveliness now so I can remind me of it when I see it's hideous side; when I sit at the kitchen table and cry over newspaper images of bomb blasts and rape victims being guided from court.

Yet still I lie awake at nights and watch men covered in flames which they have lit themselves run before my eyes, beggars dying of cold on the streets of Xi'an and a wealthy man declaring that all we need to do to avoid aids is stop having sex before marriage. Sometimes believing is hard.

Avec foi,
Fleur Susannah

Current Mood: lethargic
Sunday, July 11th, 2004
3:57 am
Called to serve god, but necessarily as a priest?
In a community I belong to, someone posted something about people being called to serve their god and how they choose to do so. I left a comment I thought I'd like to share with all of you. Take a look at what I have to say, and tell me what you think. Do you think I'm very far off?

Called to serve . . .
Friday, June 25th, 2004
5:25 pm
First time posting hear, hello everyone.

My BeliefsCollapse )

Hope all that was appropriate for a first post

Current Mood: anxious
Wednesday, June 23rd, 2004
11:32 am
A Sermon on Tolerance, from the 'other side'
Recently I’ve been reading some of the posts on the gaystr8alliance community and I’ve been saddened by a few of the attitudes I have encountered there.

This has weighed on my heart to the extent where I tried replying to one of the posts in particular that worried me, but the comment I left remains screened and unread by the majority. That in itself is very saddening to one who actively prays for enlightenment, tolerance and a means to bridge across the divide between Christians and the GLBT community.

Lacking any other way to be heard on this issue, I decided to openly air my thoughts in this community, because I believe something needs to be said.

The post in question, deals with an upcoming day in the United States that is dedicated to the protection of marriage.

A member of the community posted on how she would love to visit the church across the road from where she lives on that day, wearing her gay pride shirt, and get a bunch of her friends together and ‘interrupt.’

While I can truly understand her frustration at the calling of this particular day, I did feel that she had made some fairly broad assumptions about the church across the road, and about Christians in general, and I pointed that out in the aforementioned comment.

First of all, the poster has never visited this church before. She knows fact zero about the church or the people who attend it. Has she called them and asked if they plan to even make a big thing of “Protect Marriage Day” ? It didn’t sound like it from the tone of her post.

Secondly, the best way to get yourself ejected from a church and to close all opportunity for your concerns and opinions to be heard, is by ‘interrupting’ a service.

I understand the issue of gay civil marriage, and I support the right of homosexual couples to be married under civil law, however, I also know that civil law gives Christians, Muslims, Jews, Quakers, Buddhists, Mormons, and any other religious group you care to name, the right to congregate and pursue their religious beliefs in peace.

That is a right most of them would defend fairly physically and I wouldn’t blame them for doing so.

Creating a riot is only going to further the division, and prove right, in the minds of those who’re already close minded, the idea that homosexuals don’t deserve to be listened to.

Open and honest dialogue is what is needed, and a thorough knowledge of the facts is handy before even considering approaching the ‘opposition.’

I live in Australia where thankfully, it seems, the culture is much different. I don’t hear a lot of messages preached against gay marriage in my church and, as far as I am aware, my church is not interested in the whole ‘protect marriage’ thing.

One assumption by a lot of people, and not only the homosexual community, that annoys me personally, is the one that says all Christians hate homosexuals and want to deny them their civil right to marry and be recognized as married partners under law.

That is very far from what is actually true. I know many Christians who think that civil rights should not be an issue decided by the church.

Another assumption turned up in another gaystr8 post which I didn’t bother replying to as I am fairly sure it would not be unscreened either, but I will address it here.

That is the assumption that homosexuals are not welcome or wanted in church.

Last time I looked everyone was welcome in church.

There are many churches in Australia at least which specifically reach out to, and welcome homosexuals.

I know it can seem sometimes like the ‘church’ doesn’t want homosexual people in her midst, and that is sad. But to make a broad and sweeping statement that “no church will allow…” is wrong.

Just as GBLT people resent being lumped in with paedophiles, rapists and other unsavoury types, so do open minded and loving Christians resent the thought that all Christians and all churches are going to blindly follow along with the rest of the herd and do whatever the ‘church’ dictates.

Refresh yourself, and me; next time you’re talking to a Christian ask his or her opinion.

You may be surprised!

Current Mood: annoyed
Friday, June 11th, 2004
2:47 pm
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life..." Exodus 21:22-23

If two men fight and cause a pregnant woman to miscarry, but the woman is not killed, the man who caused the miscarriage is only condemned to pay up a sum determined by the judges. Only if the woman is killed is the man condemned to death. If the death of a foetus doesn't merit "giving life for life", then doesn't this mean that the foetus doesn't have the same standing before the Law of Moses as people?

A good way to fight the Pro-Life Christians using their own tools.

Current Mood: bouncy
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004
11:08 am
An open invitation!
Hey everyone! My name's Blair. A friend of mine, Bry (almostfam0us) started up a Christian community a few weeks ago called vegaschristians. So if you read this, whether or not you live in Las Vegas, we would love to have you join! So stop by and check us out.

Current Mood: cheerful
Tuesday, June 8th, 2004
9:11 am
First official posting...
I doubt that I actually belong here, although I have been non-denominational for several years now. But I still lean towards being conservative in my religious standpoint.

I dont see Christ or G-d as a religion, it is a faith, a friendship and a community. It is non-exclusive, but does have several rules that need to be accepted before any person can join.

In my mind it is simple, if someone believes in Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation, the only way to heaven and the only way to the Father (G-d); there is no other way, no alternative and no second chances when you die. For although Christ/G-d are compassionate and want all to get into heaven, they have allowed us free will to choose what we want - and if we choose to reject them so be it.

I also believe that the Old Testement is obsolete, for Christ himself said so - he was the replacement to all the laws. Now the New Testement still has some laws, but only rules that would be simple to follow if the person had already taken the first step and accepted Jesus. He tells us to believe in Him and to spread his word, He tells us to love, He tells us to be kind and generous to our fellow man, to be an example. He lists very few 'donts' besides the normal (cheat, steal, lie, etc)...

As for homosexuality - My opinion has not yet been decided on that matter...I do not have enough information.

Current Mood: relaxed
12:10 pm
If you have a little time and energy,
I'd like you to do me a favour. A friend of mine's having a big crisis of faith and hassle from his church because of his sexuality. Could you spare a little vibe or a prayer or a candle or whatever you do to ask for a good outcome for him, please?

Current Mood: hopeful
Monday, June 7th, 2004
10:19 pm
Interesting Prophecy
I was just reading a newspaper that I picked up at the Columbus Hempfest, and came across a great quote that I thought was really applicable to what is going on here:

"When the earth is ravaged and the animals are dying, a new tribe of people shall come unto the earth from many colors, classes, creeds, and who by their actions and deeds shall make the earth green again. They will be known as the Warriors of the Rainbow."
--Native American Prophecy
10:14 am
Okay, first post. Here goes.
There are too many "what if" questions for faith at all to be an easy thing. The question: "What if God doesn't exist?" To me, the only answer is another question.

By the same token, what if He does?

Scientifically there is no way to prove it. Or at least, none has been found, and I can't think of any. There hasn't been a Burning Bush in what? 5000 years? I think the last person to claim to be touched by God was burned at the stake (Joan of Arc, 1260? Can't remember the year.). I might be missing a few. My memory isn't perfect.

But setting aside the idea of whether or not God exists, which is a philosophical battle I fear no one can win, we must look to the message that He put forth, through His Son, who supposedly died to give us a second chance. Third, if you count the flood.

That message can actually be summed up pretty quickly in 1 verse. Luke 6:37. "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: Condemn not, and ye shall not be condenmed: Forgive and ye shall be forgiven." I mean, Jesus was all about love. Maybe he did look too nicely on the 60's... but that's not the point. And the key part of that verse is the last. Forgiveness.

Part of it all was "turn the other cheek" and that sort of thing. Well, if everybody was doing that, nobody would need to.

And I think that's all for me, for the moment.

Peace be with you all,
12:03 am
My Christianity is as basic as humanly possible.

If Jesus didn't say it himself them I don't care. No apostles or other figures to follow. There are instances of the twelve being wrong just like everyone else. So I take their writings as helpful suggestions but Jesus as law. I figured if he couldn't take time to mention a subject by name then it probably wasn't important. It leaves a lot of gray area to work through but that gives people the ability to live their own lives in service to God.

It's working for me. Non-demonimational seems to fit my life best.
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